Sulfate and insomnia with b6
#1
Mittir or anyone, do you know what importance ray places on dietary sulfate? I think he mentioned it in a book, perhaps with similar characteristics as potassium. Also, does anyone know what causes restless sleep from b6? Im wondering if p5p would be better but thinking of makijg nutritional yeast pills with eggshell calcium.
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#2
I find sulfate quite allergenic. RP has mentioned sulfur irritates gut.
He only recommends pinch of flower of sulfur for few days to kill
bacteria and fungus.

RP only recommends 10 mg B6. Larger dose causes nerve damage.
Yeast is quite allergenic and estrogenic.
#3
(09-25-2018, 12:41 PM)Mittir Wrote: I find sulfate quite allergenic. RP has mentioned sulfur irritates gut.
He only recommends pinch of flower of sulfur for few days to kill
bacteria and fungus.

RP only recommends 10 mg B6. Larger dose causes nerve damage.
Yeast is quite allergenic and estrogenic.

Unfortunately 10mg b6 causes insomniax as well as a few hundered milligrams per day kf pantothenic acid, evidently. I heard him on a kmud program say yeast should be balanced with calcium. B vitamins are very challenging to supplement
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#4
(09-25-2018, 12:41 PM)Mittir Wrote: I find sulfate quite allergenic. RP has mentioned sulfur irritates gut.
He only recommends pinch of flower of sulfur for few days to kill
bacteria and fungus.

RP only recommends 10 mg B6. Larger dose causes nerve damage.
Yeast is quite allergenic and estrogenic.

Maybe sulfur has good properties like potassium but causes too many problems in practical use
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#5
(09-25-2018, 12:41 PM)Mittir Wrote: I find sulfate quite allergenic. RP has mentioned sulfur irritates gut.
He only recommends pinch of flower of sulfur for few days to kill
bacteria and fungus.

RP only recommends 10 mg B6. Larger dose causes nerve damage.
Yeast is quite allergenic and estrogenic.

Mittir do you think nutritional yeast would be more allergenic than synthetic b vitamins? I also have dessicated liver pills, i dont know how many b vitamind they retain.
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#6
RP also mentioned adding yeast to hot water to extract B vitamins.
You can try this to see if it helps. I did not try this method.

Was there any problematic excipient in the vitamin B6 you used?
I have seen sometime pure vitamin powder have silicon dioxide
and they do not declare it. Have you tried different brand of
vitamin to see if the problem is associated with vitamin or
other ingredients. I have been using 10 mg B6 for few months now
and i do not feel any extra benefit or any side effects.
I have started using biotin 300 mg 3 times a day with meal
with good result. In past i tried higher doses and those gave me
side effects.

If you drink milk you can get a lot of b Vitamins . You can also
use fruit and vegetable broth for extra B.
You can try cronometer. com to check nutrient content.
Banana is high in b6. you can also search food with certain
vitamin at nutritiondata com.

I never tried dessicated liver pills.
I eat liver weekly and i can see decline in health if i skip for few weeks.
Have you tried liver pate? This does not have  typical liver taste.

I have found eating raw carrot ( 2 medium size) salad  4-5 hours before bed
resolves any sleep issue. I have found carrot with sharp taste is effective
and one with very bland taste does not seem to help.
#7
(09-27-2018, 11:07 PM)Mittir Wrote: RP also mentioned adding yeast to hot water to extract B vitamins.
You can try this to see if it helps. I did not try this method.

Was there any problematic excipient in the vitamin B6 you used?
I have seen sometime pure vitamin powder have silicon dioxide
and they do not declare it. Have you tried different brand of
vitamin to see if the problem is associated with vitamin or
other ingredients. I have been using 10 mg B6 for few months now
and i do not feel any extra benefit or any side effects.
I have started using biotin 300 mg 3 times a day with meal
with good result. In past i tried higher doses and those gave me
side effects.

If you drink milk you can get a lot of b Vitamins . You can also
use fruit and vegetable broth for extra B.
You can try cronometer. com to check nutrient content.
Banana is high in b6. you can also search food with certain
vitamin at nutritiondata com.

I never tried dessicated liver pills.
I eat liver weekly and i can see decline in health if i skip for few weeks.
Have you tried liver pate? This does not have  typical liver taste.

I have found eating raw carrot ( 2 medium size) salad  4-5 hours before bed
resolves any sleep issue. I have found carrot with sharp taste is effective
and one with very bland taste does not seem to help.

I unfortunately have a problen with my abdominal muscles, so the volume of material i can take in isnoftened limited. But maybe i should try the carrots again. I dont seem to react to p5p, and i read that pyridoxine is actually a minor b6 vitamer in aninal tissue, but it's the main form in plants. Maybe plants are less able to convert the b6 into p5p. 

The high dose biotin is interesting, i was reading many publications that advocate it, the correct dose seems to be not well established. I saw ray mentioned 1mg biotin in a very old protocol (from his archive i found), bit i've read a lot of benefits at 4mg as well. Where do you get riboflavin from? Ive come to the same conclusion as you, thay vegetables are the only strong food source of some b bitamins, like folic acid. That one can je difficult to supplement because ray said it was one of the most allergenic b vitamins. 

I think ive been having good effects from high-dose pantothenic acid. I think if someone doesnt respond adequately to saturated fat and fructose to increase cholesterol, then a pantothenic acid deficiency should be considered, bevause it's needed for hmg-coa or something for cholesterol synthesis.
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#8
I get 200% of riboflavin  RDA from 5 cups of milk and 20 grams
of beef liver daily. Milk is also rich in pantothenic acids.
Only vitamin is am deficient in is folate.
I get about 30% of RDA. Orange would have solved that problem.
But i am very allergic to almost all kind of oranges.

How much pantothenic acid  are you using?
RP mentioned  deficiency caused hypothyroidism.
What kind of benefit are you getting from using it.
I have seen in nutritional supplement studies
to use abnormally high doses to show benefit
instead of showing benefit from different doses
from low to high. A good example is that of DHEA.
Most studies on DHEA done in 25 to 100 mg
where one can get great benefit just from using 5 mg.
#9
I have read a lot of people not getting desired benefit from
carrot salad. I also noticed that certain type of carrot to be beneficial.
I remember reading a study that showed storing carrot in
very low temperature destroys it's antibiotic property.
I do not remember the temperature, i think study was done on
sub zero temp. I wonder if most supermarket carrots are stored
in that temperature range before putting it on the shelf.
#10
(10-01-2018, 10:33 AM)Mittir Wrote: I have read a lot of people not getting desired benefit from
carrot salad. I also noticed that certain type of carrot to be beneficial.
I remember reading a study that showed storing carrot in
very low temperature destroys it's antibiotic property.
I do not remember the temperature, i think study was done on
sub zero temp. I wonder if most supermarket carrots are stored
in that temperature range before putting it on the shelf.

Thats an interesting question .. i think someone said carrots can lower blood sugar or somethijg, but for me, im mechanically consctricted with my digestion until i strengthen my abdomijal muscle
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