by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-29-2018, 06:43 AM
I know ray said the free metal oxidizes other nutrients, the glycine and methionine salts look better. Both increase thyroid hormones, but methionine increases thyroxine morex which may be bad.

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Poult Sci. 2017 Dec 1;96(12):4224-4235. doi: 10.3382/ps/pex253.
Effect of feed supplementation with zinc glycine chelate and zinc sulfate on cytokine and immunoglobulin gene expression profiles in chicken intestinal tissue.
Jarosz L1Marek A2Gradzki Z1Kwiecien M3Zylinska B4Kaczmarek B5.
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The aim of the study was to evaluate the effect of inorganic and organic forms of Zn on the expression of cytokines (IL-2, TNF-α, IFN-γ, IL-12, IL-17, IL-4, IL-10, and TGF-β) and immunoglobulins (IgA and IgG) in the tissues of the small intestine (jejunum and ileum) of broiler chickens. In the experiment, 90 broiler chickens were divided into 4 experimental groups and a control group, with 18 birds each. The birds received Zn supplements in inorganic form with and without phytase (ZnSO4 and ZnSO4 + F), and in organic form with glycine, with and without phytase (Zn-Gly and Zn-Gly + F). The total rearing period was 42 days. Quantitative real-time (RT)-PCR was used to measure the expression of the cytokines and immunoglobulins. The differences between the results obtained for the control and experimental groups, between the groups receiving ZnSO4 and Zn-Gly, and between groups ZnSO4-F and Zn-Gly-F were analyzed statistically. High relative expression of IL-2 was observed for the chickens in the groups receiving ZnSO4-F, Zn-Gly, and Zn-Gly-F on d 42 in comparison to the control group. High relative expression of TNF-α, IL-12, and IL-17 was noted in the group that received ZnSO4 + F. High expression of IgG, IgA, IL-4, TGF-β, and IL-10 was noted in the groups of chickens that received feed supplemented with Zn-Gly and Zn-Gly + F chelates on d 42 of the study in comparison to the control group. In conclusion, supplementation with Zn-Gly chelates can ensure Th1 and Th2 balance during the immune response in the gut-associated lymphoid tissue (GALT), and, by increasing IgA and IgG expression, also can stimulate potentiation of the immune response involved in passive protection of the body from infection. In contrast, the use of inorganic forms of Zn, in the form of sulfates, can induce local inflammatory processes in the intestines, which, in the case of long-term supplementation, lead to the development of infections
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-29-2018, 05:45 AM
Biol Trace Elem Res. 2015 Nov;168(1):11-4. doi: 10.1007/s12011-015-0334-3. Epub 2015 Apr 17.
Moderately High Dose Zinc Gluconate or Zinc Glycinate: Effects on Plasma Zinc and Erythrocyte Superoxide Dismutase Activities in Young Adult Women.
DiSilvestro RA1Koch E2Rakes L2.
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Some zinc (Zn) research studies have used either Zn gluconate or Zn glycinate, but the two forms have not been compared much. Therefore, a moderately high dose of the two forms (60 mg Zn/day) were compared in a 6-week intervention in young adult women. Plasma Zn, the traditional assessment of Zn status, was increased in all subjects given Zn glycinate (N = 10), while no significant change was seen overall for Zn gluconate or placebo (N = 10 each). Erythrocyte superoxide dismutase activity, a marker for Zn-induced copper deficiency, was unchanged in all three groups. Thus, for the conditions of this study, Zn glycinate effectively changed Zn status better than Zn gluconate, but neither impacted copper status.
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-28-2018, 08:07 PM
    Has anyone researched this? Ray mentioned b15 in an older publication. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pangamic_acid
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-26-2018, 05:27 AM
Was thinking about ordering some pyridoxamine from my chinese friends. Before i ask ray about itx does anyone have an opinion on forms of b6? I heard pyridoxamine doesnt have risks of neuropathy at higher doses.
by Nip at 09-26-2018, 02:24 AM
Progesterone can help to heal the brain, but progesterone also increases blood viscosity. High blood viscosity increases the risk of stroke.
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-25-2018, 06:41 AM
Does anyone have any experience with this?
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-25-2018, 06:14 AM
Mittir or anyone, do you know what importance ray places on dietary sulfate? I think he mentioned it in a book, perhaps with similar characteristics as potassium. Also, does anyone know what causes restless sleep from b6? Im wondering if p5p would be better but thinking of makijg nutritional yeast pills with eggshell calcium.
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-08-2018, 01:31 AM
As commonly insisted upon. Morover, im reading that furosemide exacerbates and causes edema, by wcrivating aldosterone and renin/angiotensin. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...0360902076
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-06-2018, 09:58 PM
Methylene blue reduces pulmonary oedema and cyclo-oxygenase products in endotoxaemic sheep

http://erj.ersjournals.com/content/20/4/957
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