by Westside PUFAs at 11-09-2018, 05:06 PM
There is a Peat cultist named "Cows Eat Grass" who posts on a blog and instagram. It is a wonderful and entertaining view of somebody living in an echo chamber. He calls his blog an "anti dogma blog." That is hilarious.

He has a weird obsession with "sugar" and sucrose but somehow missed this Peat quote:

"Refined granulated sugar is extremely pure, but it lacks all of the essential nutrients, so it should be considered as a temporary therapeutic material, or as an occasional substitute when good fruit isn't available, or when available honey is allergenic." - Raymond Peat

It seems CEG doesn't know what "temporary therapeutic material" infers..

And this: "Although plain sucrose can alleviate the metabolic suppression of an average diet, the effect of sugars in the diet is much more likely to be healthful in the long run when they are associated with an abundance of minerals, as in milk and fruit, which provide potassium and calcium and other protective nutrients." - Raymond Peat

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Peat eats baby turnips, raw carrots, and most would consider mushrooms as "vegetables.." which by the way, was hilarious to watch all of the Peat cultists scramble to the nearest grocery store to buy mushrooms once Peat endorsed them in 2015. Before, they were considerd "toxic" because of one email quote but then they became a Peatarian staple from one new newsletter.

"These sort of traditional ideas about the acid base balance of food, they usually lead to a pretty good diet. For example, the Indian diet - fruit, vegetables and milk and cheese. That's a good example of the alkaline residue diet. And so I don't have any disagreement with the dietary recommendations to eat lots of milk and cheese and fruit and vegetables."-Raymond Peat

And they ignore things Peat has said like in this clip, and although Peat doesn't consume cooked leafy greens much or at all, his reasoning is because he doesn't need to because of his milk consumption but nonetheless has said this about greens which contradicts the anti-greens cultists:

Ray Peat on eating well cooked leafy greens:

“Foods with a higher, safer ratio of calcium to phosphate are leaves, such as kale, turnip greens, and beet greens, and many fruits, milk, and cheese. - from Ray Peat article "Phosphate, activation, and aging"

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Cows EG, You act like all of the people on the RPF and elsewhere in Peatland (facebook) are all thriving and doing great on your diet. Do you even read the threads where people struggle with the dairy and fruit based diet? According to you, it's only "vegans" that are malnourished in the alt-health world? Hmm..

There are way more transparent people posting on social media who are getting good results, both physical and otherwise, using non-Peat approaches than Peatarains so..

When I asked Peat about a well planned "vegan" diet he said "Yes, I think those goods can provide enough protein in a good balance of amino acids." In that context, ultimately it came down to protein from a peat POV and I covered everything else in that post.
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 10-28-2018, 08:05 PM
Q:"hi ray, I'm trying to reverse my fiance's gut condition, which includes gluten sensitivity. I normalized her pituitary function, her vitamin d and tsh are good, prolactin 12, but she still suffers a lot. She's been on the biosporin dysbiosis protocol for 5 days, experienced debilitating flu symptoms (which is going around her work), but also rosacea-like cheek flushing and ear pain. She's experienced this from other antimicrobials such as wormwood and oregano oil. My hope was to combine the biosporin with b6, per Adelle Davis' work on celiac and enteropathy, hoping the combination of the two would provoke villous regeneration. I believe you mentioned riboflavin as crucial to eliminate endotoxin, and of course protein and glucose. I gave her activated charcoal the past day to stop the diarrhea. Do you have any other suggestions to deal with what i presume is bacterial "die off", and do you have any experience with what the time course of this reaction would be? I'm considering bromelain if this fails, but her symptoms are so severe my heart breaks for her. Appreciate your time ray, thank you"

R: "I think an allergic reaction is likely. Diarrhea usually involves prostaglandins, so aspirin and coffee and small amounts of sodium bicarbonate are usually helpful."
by Reaper242xxx at 10-22-2018, 09:54 PM
So I feel weird talking about this because I've never been banned from another forum before, kind of awkward lol. On the other Ray Peat forum my username is "Reaper242xx". If you ever find my posts and comments you'll notice I'm really much more of a viewer then a talker. I don't post much, at all. However I'm pretty sure I'm being forced off the forum now, essentially. I haven't been outright banned yet, however I've noticed all my comments are censored now. Literally every comment I try to post says "awaiting moderator approval" and 95% of them never get approved. I'm not sure what I did to get censored, lol. The only reason I'm hear saying this now is because I've exhausted every other option. And I've noticed how other people had problems as well. I tried letting it play out, thinking it might have been just a fluke. It never stopped, I actually tried contacting the admin too. This is when I started to think all of it was intentional, because the admin never replied to me. There's two things I'm thinking might have caused it. One, I did make a comment about how displeased I was with the work of Dr. McDougall.

I might have been on the harsh side, not vulgar though, more like constructive criticism. Apparently there are more pro-starch McDougall fans on the forum then I thought. Fair enough I guess, to each is own. McDougall did some great work by exposing seed oils to the nation, I just thought his promotion of starch and veganism ultimately crowded out all the positive sides of him. I also found his book to be rather unscientific. The second controversial thing I did was, I made a brief comment in the political section about anarcho-capitalism and Murray Rothbard. I know there's a heavy anti-libertarian crowd there, but my comment was in the right sub-section, and it didn't break any rules. And I wasn't even really cheerleading it either. I just said reading Rothbard changed my life. I'm leaning towards my Rothbard comment being the cause, because I noticed this heavy censorship shortly thereafter. At any rate, whatever was the cause it was probably due to a petty disagreement the moderator must have had with me. Instead of confronting me they'd rather just censor me. I have no time to deal with wishy washy mods. They wouldn't want to hear my mansplaining anyways, lmao.
by Reaper242xxx at 09-30-2018, 09:20 PM
Hey I'm a regular (viewer, not commenter) over at the other forum. Just found this place today. I'm wondering how I could possibly lower my PUFA intake even lower then I already got it. I here people on the forum saying they can get under 1 gram of polyunsaturated fat in a entire day. How is this possible? I'll lay out my regime to give you an idea.

Daily intake of fats:
64oz of milk (1% milk with added sugar and salt) = 0.6 grams of PUFA
1 large egg (hen fed insect diet, fried in a 1/2 tbsp. of butter) = about 1.2 grams of PUFA (factoring in the butter)
3oz of colby cheese = about 0.9 grams of PUFA
2 tbsp. of coconut oil = 0.5 grams of PUFA

I've averaged that I'm consuming somewhere around 3.2 grams of polyunsaturated fat on a daily basis. This is not including supplemental foods I eat on a weekly (not daily) basis. I eat about 10oz of grassfed beef liver and a 8oz serving of oysters weekly. I also eat an additional 3lbs of ruminant meat weekly (mainly hamburger and oxtail). I figured I'm meeting Ray's criteria for under 4 grams of PUFA daily, however given the fact rats appear hypermetabolic on a PUFA free diet lower can always be slightly better. Plus I've heard of actual people getting under a 1 gram a day (unless they're lying). How could I possibly cut back more without sacrificing nutrient density? Also I've recently quit my desiccated thyroid. I'm trying to come off of it for good. I'm having reasonable fair success. Between my daily supplementation of thiamine, niacinamide, magnesium, aspirin, and red light I've been clocking about 98.2 degrees. Pretty good when taking into consideration I was barely cracking 96 without thyroid a year ago. I'm thinking if I can push my PUFA just a little bit lower I could reach that mid 98 range.
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-29-2018, 06:43 AM
I know ray said the free metal oxidizes other nutrients, the glycine and methionine salts look better. Both increase thyroid hormones, but methionine increases thyroxine morex which may be bad.

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Poult Sci. 2017 Dec 1;96(12):4224-4235. doi: 10.3382/ps/pex253.
Effect of feed supplementation with zinc glycine chelate and zinc sulfate on cytokine and immunoglobulin gene expression profiles in chicken intestinal tissue.
Jarosz L1Marek A2Gradzki Z1Kwiecien M3Zylinska B4Kaczmarek B5.
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The aim of the study was to evaluate the effect of inorganic and organic forms of Zn on the expression of cytokines (IL-2, TNF-α, IFN-γ, IL-12, IL-17, IL-4, IL-10, and TGF-β) and immunoglobulins (IgA and IgG) in the tissues of the small intestine (jejunum and ileum) of broiler chickens. In the experiment, 90 broiler chickens were divided into 4 experimental groups and a control group, with 18 birds each. The birds received Zn supplements in inorganic form with and without phytase (ZnSO4 and ZnSO4 + F), and in organic form with glycine, with and without phytase (Zn-Gly and Zn-Gly + F). The total rearing period was 42 days. Quantitative real-time (RT)-PCR was used to measure the expression of the cytokines and immunoglobulins. The differences between the results obtained for the control and experimental groups, between the groups receiving ZnSO4 and Zn-Gly, and between groups ZnSO4-F and Zn-Gly-F were analyzed statistically. High relative expression of IL-2 was observed for the chickens in the groups receiving ZnSO4-F, Zn-Gly, and Zn-Gly-F on d 42 in comparison to the control group. High relative expression of TNF-α, IL-12, and IL-17 was noted in the group that received ZnSO4 + F. High expression of IgG, IgA, IL-4, TGF-β, and IL-10 was noted in the groups of chickens that received feed supplemented with Zn-Gly and Zn-Gly + F chelates on d 42 of the study in comparison to the control group. In conclusion, supplementation with Zn-Gly chelates can ensure Th1 and Th2 balance during the immune response in the gut-associated lymphoid tissue (GALT), and, by increasing IgA and IgG expression, also can stimulate potentiation of the immune response involved in passive protection of the body from infection. In contrast, the use of inorganic forms of Zn, in the form of sulfates, can induce local inflammatory processes in the intestines, which, in the case of long-term supplementation, lead to the development of infections
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-29-2018, 05:45 AM
Biol Trace Elem Res. 2015 Nov;168(1):11-4. doi: 10.1007/s12011-015-0334-3. Epub 2015 Apr 17.
Moderately High Dose Zinc Gluconate or Zinc Glycinate: Effects on Plasma Zinc and Erythrocyte Superoxide Dismutase Activities in Young Adult Women.
DiSilvestro RA1Koch E2Rakes L2.
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Some zinc (Zn) research studies have used either Zn gluconate or Zn glycinate, but the two forms have not been compared much. Therefore, a moderately high dose of the two forms (60 mg Zn/day) were compared in a 6-week intervention in young adult women. Plasma Zn, the traditional assessment of Zn status, was increased in all subjects given Zn glycinate (N = 10), while no significant change was seen overall for Zn gluconate or placebo (N = 10 each). Erythrocyte superoxide dismutase activity, a marker for Zn-induced copper deficiency, was unchanged in all three groups. Thus, for the conditions of this study, Zn glycinate effectively changed Zn status better than Zn gluconate, but neither impacted copper status.
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-28-2018, 08:07 PM
    Has anyone researched this? Ray mentioned b15 in an older publication.
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 09-26-2018, 05:27 AM
Was thinking about ordering some pyridoxamine from my chinese friends. Before i ask ray about itx does anyone have an opinion on forms of b6? I heard pyridoxamine doesnt have risks of neuropathy at higher doses.
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