by ChasingGoodandEvil at 03-12-2019, 02:25 AM
Ray: "For a population of healthy people, the range is 0 to 0.4."

Q:"is that pg/mL?"

Ray: "The low end of the range, probably around 20."
by Dewitt at 03-01-2019, 11:28 AM
So, I don't know who still remembers me from the old Peatarian board, but my name there was DeWitt and I suppose I was mostly known for my decent knowledge of biochemistry and excessive sexual innuendos.

I got sidetracked from Ray Peat's work toward the end of the lifespan of that forum and just kind of disappeared while I was working on Uni stuff.

But I wanted to say I'm glad there is still a censorship-free alternative to the original RP forum and I'm happy to see a few familiar names.

As for my view of RP's work, it hasn't changed much even after several years of further research, so I might be chiming in on some threads from time to time.
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 12-10-2018, 08:45 AM
Q: What's your opinion on inositol? Can it be helpful to supplement in some situations? I believe davis mentioned it a few times but it doesn't seem to garner the same attention as other b vitamins. Thank you.

R:  Physically and chemically, it seems likely to be beneficial, though I haven’t seen any real effects from it.
by halken at 12-06-2018, 05:28 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, it is time to discuss where no discussion has gone before (certainly not on that other Ray Peat site, eh EH? Tongue), let's combine the ideas of John McDougall and Ray Peat together and see where this expedition of experimenting and recording of results will lead us into the new age of biochemistry.

So for me, I have my own slant on what I think McDougall has right, and what he has wrong. Same deal with Peat.

There's also a lack of consideration from either practitioner regarding a certain type of food.

So McDougall, what does he get right? It's pretty obvious really, it's STARCH. It is the ultimate source of energy. What he fails to acknowledge is that not all starches are equal.

This is where Peat comes in. He has conceded that potatoes (storage organs) are almost a complete food and that if you have good intestinal health you can do very well on them (try telling that to all the peatards over at you-know-where!).

McDougall contends that legumes are just as powerful, this is where he gets it wrong and Peat has it right.

Peat is PRO DAIRY. McDougall equates dairy to a form of liquid meat that overtime becomes extremely problematic, I think he is right.

What both doctors agree on is PRO-THYROID HEALTH.

The only thing neither of them consider into the equation of nutrition is FERMENTED soy products. I personally believe that soy (in my case, tofu) is one of the superfoods of the world.

So that's it from here but I'll post a "pyramid"-esque template of their right ideas combined to wrap it up:

Fat source: Refined coconut oil.

Carb source: Mostly tubers and roots; some leafy greens and herbs. Small amounts of fruit.

Protein source: Tubers, roots and fermented soy products.

Nootropics: coffee.
by Ricardo99 at 11-24-2018, 01:53 AM
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by Westside PUFAs at 11-09-2018, 05:06 PM
There is a Peat cultist named "Cows Eat Grass" who posts on a blog and instagram. It is a wonderful and entertaining view of somebody living in an echo chamber. He calls his blog an "anti dogma blog." That is hilarious.

He has a weird obsession with "sugar" and sucrose but somehow missed this Peat quote:

"Refined granulated sugar is extremely pure, but it lacks all of the essential nutrients, so it should be considered as a temporary therapeutic material, or as an occasional substitute when good fruit isn't available, or when available honey is allergenic." - Raymond Peat

It seems CEG doesn't know what "temporary therapeutic material" infers..

And this: "Although plain sucrose can alleviate the metabolic suppression of an average diet, the effect of sugars in the diet is much more likely to be healthful in the long run when they are associated with an abundance of minerals, as in milk and fruit, which provide potassium and calcium and other protective nutrients." - Raymond Peat

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Peat eats baby turnips, raw carrots, and most would consider mushrooms as "vegetables.." which by the way, was hilarious to watch all of the Peat cultists scramble to the nearest grocery store to buy mushrooms once Peat endorsed them in 2015. Before, they were considerd "toxic" because of one email quote but then they became a Peatarian staple from one new newsletter.

"These sort of traditional ideas about the acid base balance of food, they usually lead to a pretty good diet. For example, the Indian diet - fruit, vegetables and milk and cheese. That's a good example of the alkaline residue diet. And so I don't have any disagreement with the dietary recommendations to eat lots of milk and cheese and fruit and vegetables."-Raymond Peat

And they ignore things Peat has said like in this clip, and although Peat doesn't consume cooked leafy greens much or at all, his reasoning is because he doesn't need to because of his milk consumption but nonetheless has said this about greens which contradicts the anti-greens cultists:

Ray Peat on eating well cooked leafy greens:

“Foods with a higher, safer ratio of calcium to phosphate are leaves, such as kale, turnip greens, and beet greens, and many fruits, milk, and cheese. - from Ray Peat article "Phosphate, activation, and aging"

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Cows EG, You act like all of the people on the RPF and elsewhere in Peatland (facebook) are all thriving and doing great on your diet. Do you even read the threads where people struggle with the dairy and fruit based diet? According to you, it's only "vegans" that are malnourished in the alt-health world? Hmm..

There are way more transparent people posting on social media who are getting good results, both physical and otherwise, using non-Peat approaches than Peatarains so..

When I asked Peat about a well planned "vegan" diet he said "Yes, I think those goods can provide enough protein in a good balance of amino acids." In that context, ultimately it came down to protein from a peat POV and I covered everything else in that post.
by ChasingGoodandEvil at 10-28-2018, 08:05 PM
Q:"hi ray, I'm trying to reverse my fiance's gut condition, which includes gluten sensitivity. I normalized her pituitary function, her vitamin d and tsh are good, prolactin 12, but she still suffers a lot. She's been on the biosporin dysbiosis protocol for 5 days, experienced debilitating flu symptoms (which is going around her work), but also rosacea-like cheek flushing and ear pain. She's experienced this from other antimicrobials such as wormwood and oregano oil. My hope was to combine the biosporin with b6, per Adelle Davis' work on celiac and enteropathy, hoping the combination of the two would provoke villous regeneration. I believe you mentioned riboflavin as crucial to eliminate endotoxin, and of course protein and glucose. I gave her activated charcoal the past day to stop the diarrhea. Do you have any other suggestions to deal with what i presume is bacterial "die off", and do you have any experience with what the time course of this reaction would be? I'm considering bromelain if this fails, but her symptoms are so severe my heart breaks for her. Appreciate your time ray, thank you"

R: "I think an allergic reaction is likely. Diarrhea usually involves prostaglandins, so aspirin and coffee and small amounts of sodium bicarbonate are usually helpful."
by Reaper242xxx at 10-22-2018, 09:54 PM
So I feel weird talking about this because I've never been banned from another forum before, kind of awkward lol. On the other Ray Peat forum my username is "Reaper242xx". If you ever find my posts and comments you'll notice I'm really much more of a viewer then a talker. I don't post much, at all. However I'm pretty sure I'm being forced off the forum now, essentially. I haven't been outright banned yet, however I've noticed all my comments are censored now. Literally every comment I try to post says "awaiting moderator approval" and 95% of them never get approved. I'm not sure what I did to get censored, lol. The only reason I'm hear saying this now is because I've exhausted every other option. And I've noticed how other people had problems as well. I tried letting it play out, thinking it might have been just a fluke. It never stopped, I actually tried contacting the admin too. This is when I started to think all of it was intentional, because the admin never replied to me. There's two things I'm thinking might have caused it. One, I did make a comment about how displeased I was with the work of Dr. McDougall.

I might have been on the harsh side, not vulgar though, more like constructive criticism. Apparently there are more pro-starch McDougall fans on the forum then I thought. Fair enough I guess, to each is own. McDougall did some great work by exposing seed oils to the nation, I just thought his promotion of starch and veganism ultimately crowded out all the positive sides of him. I also found his book to be rather unscientific. The second controversial thing I did was, I made a brief comment in the political section about anarcho-capitalism and Murray Rothbard. I know there's a heavy anti-libertarian crowd there, but my comment was in the right sub-section, and it didn't break any rules. And I wasn't even really cheerleading it either. I just said reading Rothbard changed my life. I'm leaning towards my Rothbard comment being the cause, because I noticed this heavy censorship shortly thereafter. At any rate, whatever was the cause it was probably due to a petty disagreement the moderator must have had with me. Instead of confronting me they'd rather just censor me. I have no time to deal with wishy washy mods. They wouldn't want to hear my mansplaining anyways, lmao.
by Reaper242xxx at 09-30-2018, 09:20 PM
Hey I'm a regular (viewer, not commenter) over at the other forum. Just found this place today. I'm wondering how I could possibly lower my PUFA intake even lower then I already got it. I here people on the forum saying they can get under 1 gram of polyunsaturated fat in a entire day. How is this possible? I'll lay out my regime to give you an idea.

Daily intake of fats:
64oz of milk (1% milk with added sugar and salt) = 0.6 grams of PUFA
1 large egg (hen fed insect diet, fried in a 1/2 tbsp. of butter) = about 1.2 grams of PUFA (factoring in the butter)
3oz of colby cheese = about 0.9 grams of PUFA
2 tbsp. of coconut oil = 0.5 grams of PUFA

I've averaged that I'm consuming somewhere around 3.2 grams of polyunsaturated fat on a daily basis. This is not including supplemental foods I eat on a weekly (not daily) basis. I eat about 10oz of grassfed beef liver and a 8oz serving of oysters weekly. I also eat an additional 3lbs of ruminant meat weekly (mainly hamburger and oxtail). I figured I'm meeting Ray's criteria for under 4 grams of PUFA daily, however given the fact rats appear hypermetabolic on a PUFA free diet lower can always be slightly better. Plus I've heard of actual people getting under a 1 gram a day (unless they're lying). How could I possibly cut back more without sacrificing nutrient density? Also I've recently quit my desiccated thyroid. I'm trying to come off of it for good. I'm having reasonable fair success. Between my daily supplementation of thiamine, niacinamide, magnesium, aspirin, and red light I've been clocking about 98.2 degrees. Pretty good when taking into consideration I was barely cracking 96 without thyroid a year ago. I'm thinking if I can push my PUFA just a little bit lower I could reach that mid 98 range.
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